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  Dear Otis Engineer, &lt;br /&gt; &lt;p&gt;More argument just for the sake of argument. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Your case study, Shawn, is an accommodative myope. &#160;Inducing ciliary muscle &lt;br /&gt; relaxation by the use of plus lenses is certainly going to help such people &lt;br /&gt; in the long run if they are willing to do it. &#160;So would be the use of &lt;br /&gt; atropine to paralyze their ciliary muscle. &#160;No argument from any of us &lt;br /&gt; there. &#160;Accommodative myopes are in the minority. &#160;The majority of myopes &lt;br /&gt; are due to structural/anatomical issues within the eye. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;But you keep avoiding the issue. &#160;Please answer the question that you keep &lt;br /&gt; getting posed with-- &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;In an anatomical myope, where the axial length of the eye is too long or the &lt;br /&gt; corneal refractive surface it too steep, how will a plus lens cause the &lt;br /&gt; visual image to be brought to focus on the retina? &#160;What anatomic structure &lt;br /&gt; in the eye is changed to achieve this? &#160;Do you propose that the length of &lt;br /&gt; the eye shortens? &#160;Do you propose that the curvature cornea flattens? &#160;Do &lt;br /&gt; you propose that the index of refraction of the ocular tissues decreases? &lt;br /&gt; Or some other fiction? &#160;Try to answer the question Otis. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;RM &lt;br /&gt; Ph.D. O.D. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;P.S. -- If you oppose using minus lenses so much, how can you claim in a &lt;br /&gt; separate posting in this newsgroup to be neutral toward the use of LASIK &lt;br /&gt; surgery to correct myopia. &#160;In LASIK surgery you are simply removing plus &lt;br /&gt; power from the cornea (equivalent to adding minus lens power) to get the &lt;br /&gt; visual image to focus on the retina? &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;============================= &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&quot;Otis Brown&quot; &lt;otisbr...@pa.net&gt; wrote in message &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;news:6dbddb9.0411121321.515febc2@posting.google.com... &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -&lt;/p&gt;&gt; Dear Prevention-minded friends, &lt;br /&gt; &lt;p&gt;&gt; I am please to report on Shawn&#039;s success. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&gt; But some of you amaze me. &#160;You claim you are &quot;looking&quot; &lt;br /&gt; &gt; for a solution -- but when a obvious solution is &lt;br /&gt; &gt; achieved by a very-determined youn man you do every &lt;br /&gt; &gt; thing in your power to &quot;explain away&quot; this &lt;br /&gt; &gt; type of solution. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&gt; Obviously this type of scientific solution can not &lt;br /&gt; &gt; be reduced into dealings with the public -- in &lt;br /&gt; &gt; 15 minutes. &#160;And I would not expect any optometrist &lt;br /&gt; &gt; to be able to supply it -- since it depends &lt;br /&gt; &gt; on the qualities of intelligence and motivation &lt;br /&gt; &gt; that this young man has. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&gt; In stead you attempt to &quot;explain away&quot; this &lt;br /&gt; &gt; obvious scientific fact, by saying (with out &lt;br /&gt; &gt; any proof) that he had &quot;accommodation myopia&quot;, &lt;br /&gt; &gt; or some other fiction. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&gt; Best, &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&gt; Otis &lt;br /&gt; &gt; Engineer &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&gt; _______________________ &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&gt; Dear Otis &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&gt; My vision is very sharp this evening. i went through 20/20 no problem, and &lt;br /&gt; &gt; read 2/5 charecters on the 20/15 line! &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&gt; I can focus light on the red spectrum between -1/4D and -1/3D and focus &lt;br /&gt; &gt; all &lt;br /&gt; &gt; other light at about -1/2D. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&gt; I feel very successfull and proud of myself to now be able to exceed the &lt;br /&gt; &gt; profecional pilot 20/20 vision requirements. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&gt; Success is sweet. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&gt; Shawn &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;
  
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Otis Engineer, <br /> 
<p>More argument just for the sake of argument.  </p>
<p>Your case study, Shawn, is an accommodative myope. &nbsp;Inducing ciliary muscle <br /> relaxation by the use of plus lenses is certainly going to help such people <br /> in the long run if they are willing to do it. &nbsp;So would be the use of <br /> atropine to paralyze their ciliary muscle. &nbsp;No argument from any of us <br /> there. &nbsp;Accommodative myopes are in the minority. &nbsp;The majority of myopes <br /> are due to structural/anatomical issues within the eye.  </p>
<p>But you keep avoiding the issue. &nbsp;Please answer the question that you keep <br /> getting posed with&#8211;  </p>
<p>In an anatomical myope, where the axial length of the eye is too long or the <br /> corneal refractive surface it too steep, how will a plus lens cause the <br /> visual image to be brought to focus on the retina? &nbsp;What anatomic structure <br /> in the eye is changed to achieve this? &nbsp;Do you propose that the length of <br /> the eye shortens? &nbsp;Do you propose that the curvature cornea flattens? &nbsp;Do <br /> you propose that the index of refraction of the ocular tissues decreases? <br /> Or some other fiction? &nbsp;Try to answer the question Otis.  </p>
<p>RM <br /> Ph.D. O.D.  </p>
<p>P.S. &#8212; If you oppose using minus lenses so much, how can you claim in a <br /> separate posting in this newsgroup to be neutral toward the use of LASIK <br /> surgery to correct myopia. &nbsp;In LASIK surgery you are simply removing plus <br /> power from the cornea (equivalent to adding minus lens power) to get the <br /> visual image to focus on the retina?  </p>
<p>=============================  </p>
<p>&quot;Otis Brown&quot; &lt;otisbr&#8230;@pa.net&gt; wrote in message </p>
<p>news:6dbddb9.0411121321.515febc2@posting.google.com&#8230;  </p>
<p>- Hide quoted text &#8212; Show quoted text -</p>
<p>&gt; Dear Prevention-minded friends, <br /> 
<p>&gt; I am please to report on Shawn&#8217;s success.  </p>
<p>&gt; But some of you amaze me. &nbsp;You claim you are &quot;looking&quot; <br /> &gt; for a solution &#8212; but when a obvious solution is <br /> &gt; achieved by a very-determined youn man you do every <br /> &gt; thing in your power to &quot;explain away&quot; this <br /> &gt; type of solution.  </p>
<p>&gt; Obviously this type of scientific solution can not <br /> &gt; be reduced into dealings with the public &#8212; in <br /> &gt; 15 minutes. &nbsp;And I would not expect any optometrist <br /> &gt; to be able to supply it &#8212; since it depends <br /> &gt; on the qualities of intelligence and motivation <br /> &gt; that this young man has.  </p>
<p>&gt; In stead you attempt to &quot;explain away&quot; this <br /> &gt; obvious scientific fact, by saying (with out <br /> &gt; any proof) that he had &quot;accommodation myopia&quot;, <br /> &gt; or some other fiction.  </p>
<p>&gt; Best,  </p>
<p>&gt; Otis <br /> &gt; Engineer  </p>
<p>&gt; _______________________  </p>
<p>&gt; Dear Otis  </p>
<p>&gt; My vision is very sharp this evening. i went through 20/20 no problem, and <br /> &gt; read 2/5 charecters on the 20/15 line!  </p>
<p>&gt; I can focus light on the red spectrum between -1/4D and -1/3D and focus <br /> &gt; all <br /> &gt; other light at about -1/2D.  </p>
<p>&gt; I feel very successfull and proud of myself to now be able to exceed the <br /> &gt; profecional pilot 20/20 vision requirements.  </p>
<p>&gt; Success is sweet.  </p>
<p>&gt; Shawn </p>
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