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		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 18:20:26 +0000</pubDate>
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  &#160; I used a chart with a sans-serif font and I got about 20/60 in both eyes &lt;br /&gt; together, though the right eye can see a bit more of the 20/40 line, but not &lt;br /&gt; all of it. &#160;For the left eye 20/60 is readable but just barely. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;p&gt;&#160; I am going to go in for a vision test tomorrow. &#160;I&#039;ll have to walk a mile &lt;br /&gt; or so, ride a bus, then get a taxi to come home, perhaps. &#160; It&#039;s one of &lt;br /&gt; those &quot;one-hour opticals&quot;, but the optometrist that works there is fairly &lt;br /&gt; good. &#160;OTOH, I have gone to &quot;low vision specialists&quot; that I felt did very &lt;br /&gt; little for me. &#160; I&#039;m not going to accept any BS though, if he cannot really &lt;br /&gt; do anything for my perscription, I&#039;m not going to take any new glasses, and &lt;br /&gt; I also want a straight up answer as to wheather he thinks I can see well &lt;br /&gt; enough to drive. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&#160; &#160;I ought to test my eyes in positions other than the null point- if most &lt;br /&gt; of it is very poor, I probably shouldn&#039;t be driving as being able to see &lt;br /&gt; alot without having to turn the head is important too. &lt;br /&gt;
  
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&nbsp; I used a chart with a sans-serif font and I got about 20/60 in both eyes <br /> together, though the right eye can see a bit more of the 20/40 line, but not <br /> all of it. &nbsp;For the left eye 20/60 is readable but just barely. <br /> 
<p>&nbsp; I am going to go in for a vision test tomorrow. &nbsp;I&#8217;ll have to walk a mile <br /> or so, ride a bus, then get a taxi to come home, perhaps. &nbsp; It&#8217;s one of <br /> those &quot;one-hour opticals&quot;, but the optometrist that works there is fairly <br /> good. &nbsp;OTOH, I have gone to &quot;low vision specialists&quot; that I felt did very <br /> little for me. &nbsp; I&#8217;m not going to accept any BS though, if he cannot really <br /> do anything for my perscription, I&#8217;m not going to take any new glasses, and <br /> I also want a straight up answer as to wheather he thinks I can see well <br /> enough to drive.  </p>
<p>&nbsp; &nbsp;I ought to test my eyes in positions other than the null point- if most <br /> of it is very poor, I probably shouldn&#8217;t be driving as being able to see <br /> alot without having to turn the head is important too. </p>
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  &#160; &#160;Thanks for the advice. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;p&gt;&#160; I printed out a Snellen eye chart and I used an eye patch with glasses. &lt;br /&gt; Individually, my left eye is 20/70 or worse, and my right eye is around &lt;br /&gt; 20/50, with correction. &#160;And this is the best head position for the null &lt;br /&gt; point. &#160;For both eyes together, it&#039;s hard to tell. &#160;I&#039;m guessing it&#039;s at &lt;br /&gt; least no better than my best eye, and most likely worse (at least it seems &lt;br /&gt; to be). &#160; Binocular vision is hard for me to constantly mantain. &#160;I don&#039;t &lt;br /&gt; know if one of my eyes is genuinely weaker than the other due to the optic &lt;br /&gt; nerve hypoplasia (thus causing the nystagmus), or simply a bad fitting of a &lt;br /&gt; perscription. &#160;Which do you think is more likely? &lt;br /&gt;
  
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&nbsp; &nbsp;Thanks for the advice. <br /> 
<p>&nbsp; I printed out a Snellen eye chart and I used an eye patch with glasses. <br /> Individually, my left eye is 20/70 or worse, and my right eye is around <br /> 20/50, with correction. &nbsp;And this is the best head position for the null <br /> point. &nbsp;For both eyes together, it&#8217;s hard to tell. &nbsp;I&#8217;m guessing it&#8217;s at <br /> least no better than my best eye, and most likely worse (at least it seems <br /> to be). &nbsp; Binocular vision is hard for me to constantly mantain. &nbsp;I don&#8217;t <br /> know if one of my eyes is genuinely weaker than the other due to the optic <br /> nerve hypoplasia (thus causing the nystagmus), or simply a bad fitting of a <br /> perscription. &nbsp;Which do you think is more likely? </p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 18:20:21 +0000</pubDate>
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  Magnulus wrote (in part): &lt;br /&gt; &lt;p&gt;&gt;&gt; I really feel fatigued if I drive any longer than 12 minutes without a &lt;br /&gt; &gt;&gt; break. &#160;My eyes/head feel really fatigued and I feel like I start to &lt;br /&gt; &gt;&gt; loose concentration. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;I&#039;m focused on this statement by the OP. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Mr/Ms. Magnulus: what you&#039;ve said here sounds an awful lot to me like the &lt;br /&gt; answer: you&#039;re reasonably competent to drive for 12 minutes at a time. &#160;Any &lt;br /&gt; longer and you&#039;re dangerous. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Unless medical strides can be made that can extend this 12 minute driving &lt;br /&gt; interval, it seems abundantly clear to me that you place yourself at risk &lt;br /&gt; (your choice, I would argue), but that you also endanger the lives of others &lt;br /&gt; (absolutely /not/ your choice, I would argue) if you drive beyond this 12 &lt;br /&gt; minute interval when you are fatigued and unable to concentrate. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Best of luck to you . . . and please be careful. &lt;br /&gt;
  
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Magnulus wrote (in part): <br /> 
<p>&gt;&gt; I really feel fatigued if I drive any longer than 12 minutes without a <br /> &gt;&gt; break. &nbsp;My eyes/head feel really fatigued and I feel like I start to <br /> &gt;&gt; loose concentration. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m focused on this statement by the OP.  </p>
<p>Mr/Ms. Magnulus: what you&#8217;ve said here sounds an awful lot to me like the <br /> answer: you&#8217;re reasonably competent to drive for 12 minutes at a time. &nbsp;Any <br /> longer and you&#8217;re dangerous.  </p>
<p>Unless medical strides can be made that can extend this 12 minute driving <br /> interval, it seems abundantly clear to me that you place yourself at risk <br /> (your choice, I would argue), but that you also endanger the lives of others <br /> (absolutely /not/ your choice, I would argue) if you drive beyond this 12 <br /> minute interval when you are fatigued and unable to concentrate.  </p>
<p>Best of luck to you . . . and please be careful. </p>
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  But what more proofs do you need to understand that the OD you are &lt;br /&gt; referring to know nothing about eyes and vision??? &lt;br /&gt; You have to search for yourself the truth! &lt;br /&gt;
  
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But what more proofs do you need to understand that the OD you are <br /> referring to know nothing about eyes and vision??? <br /> You have to search for yourself the truth! </p>
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  &quot;Magnulus&quot; &lt;magnu...@bellsouth.net&gt; wrote in message &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;news:IdAvd.4019$Ap1.3543@bignews6.bellsouth.net... &lt;br /&gt; &lt;p&gt;&gt; &#160;Could somebody give me some advice on vision problems and driving? &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&gt; &#160; I want to know how I go about finding out if I should be driving. &#160; I &lt;br /&gt; &gt; have a learner&#039;s permit from Oklahoma. &#160;I live in Florida currently and I &lt;br /&gt; &gt; don&#039;t drive, at age 28. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;How long is a learner&#039;s permit valid? It may not be legal to use out of &lt;br /&gt; state. &#160;If you want to know if you meet the Florida state vision &lt;br /&gt; requirements, go to a driving license application centre and take whatever &lt;br /&gt; eye test they offer. &#160;They should be able to tell you if you pass. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&#160;I know how to drive and I have alot of practice, &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -&lt;/p&gt;&gt; but I don&#039;t feel comfortable driving, in particular I have had a few &quot;near &lt;br /&gt; &gt; accidents&quot; and I always feel nervous driving. &#160;I don&#039;t know what my visual &lt;br /&gt; &gt; acuity is, but it is far from perfect 20/20. &#160; I have congenital &lt;br /&gt; &gt; nystagmus, &lt;br /&gt; &gt; caused by hypoplastic optic nerves, with a null point, myopia, and &lt;br /&gt; &gt; strabismus, and my left eye is worse than my right eye at distance. &#160;I &lt;br /&gt; &gt; also &lt;br /&gt; &gt; don&#039;t always have constant binocular vision, in fact most of the time I &lt;br /&gt; &gt; don&#039;t (but I don&#039;t have amblyopia). &#160; An eye doctor has never told me what &lt;br /&gt; &gt; my vision is. &#160;I believe my glasses are around 5-7 diopters. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;p&gt;&gt; &#160; I did not take Drivers Ed in highschool because I was in a special PE &lt;br /&gt; &gt; class for disabled students. &#160;In college (I have a 2 year degree) in &lt;br /&gt; &gt; Oklahoma I took driving lessons, and one of my instructors said he was not &lt;br /&gt; &gt; sure I should be driving. &#160;He was very uncomfortable with my driving, &lt;br /&gt; &gt; especially on longer lessons. &#160;I really feel fatigued if I drive any &lt;br /&gt; &gt; longer &lt;br /&gt; &gt; than 12 minutes without a break. &#160;My eyes/head feel really fatigued and I &lt;br /&gt; &gt; feel like I start to loose concentration. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;Well, I think you answered your own question. &#160;If you don&#039;t feel safe or &lt;br /&gt; comfortable driving, you shouldn&#039;t drive. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Dr Judy &lt;br /&gt;
  
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;Magnulus&quot; &lt;magnu&#8230;@bellsouth.net&gt; wrote in message </p>
<p>news:IdAvd.4019$Ap1.3543@bignews6.bellsouth.net&#8230; <br /> 
<p>&gt; &nbsp;Could somebody give me some advice on vision problems and driving?  </p>
<p>&gt; &nbsp; I want to know how I go about finding out if I should be driving. &nbsp; I <br /> &gt; have a learner&#8217;s permit from Oklahoma. &nbsp;I live in Florida currently and I <br /> &gt; don&#8217;t drive, at age 28. </p>
<p>How long is a learner&#8217;s permit valid? It may not be legal to use out of <br /> state. &nbsp;If you want to know if you meet the Florida state vision <br /> requirements, go to a driving license application centre and take whatever <br /> eye test they offer. &nbsp;They should be able to tell you if you pass.  </p>
<p>&nbsp;I know how to drive and I have alot of practice,  </p>
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<p>&gt; but I don&#8217;t feel comfortable driving, in particular I have had a few &quot;near <br /> &gt; accidents&quot; and I always feel nervous driving. &nbsp;I don&#8217;t know what my visual <br /> &gt; acuity is, but it is far from perfect 20/20. &nbsp; I have congenital <br /> &gt; nystagmus, <br /> &gt; caused by hypoplastic optic nerves, with a null point, myopia, and <br /> &gt; strabismus, and my left eye is worse than my right eye at distance. &nbsp;I <br /> &gt; also <br /> &gt; don&#8217;t always have constant binocular vision, in fact most of the time I <br /> &gt; don&#8217;t (but I don&#8217;t have amblyopia). &nbsp; An eye doctor has never told me what <br /> &gt; my vision is. &nbsp;I believe my glasses are around 5-7 diopters. <br /> 
<p>&gt; &nbsp; I did not take Drivers Ed in highschool because I was in a special PE <br /> &gt; class for disabled students. &nbsp;In college (I have a 2 year degree) in <br /> &gt; Oklahoma I took driving lessons, and one of my instructors said he was not <br /> &gt; sure I should be driving. &nbsp;He was very uncomfortable with my driving, <br /> &gt; especially on longer lessons. &nbsp;I really feel fatigued if I drive any <br /> &gt; longer <br /> &gt; than 12 minutes without a break. &nbsp;My eyes/head feel really fatigued and I <br /> &gt; feel like I start to loose concentration. </p>
<p>Well, I think you answered your own question. &nbsp;If you don&#8217;t feel safe or <br /> comfortable driving, you shouldn&#8217;t drive.  </p>
<p>Dr Judy </p>
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  There are several issues to resolve here. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;p&gt;First, is a learners permit fro Oklahoma valid in Florida. I would guess not &lt;br /&gt; and that you will need to apply for a FL permit. This means you will have to &lt;br /&gt; meet FL&#039;s vision requirements. Or get a doctor&#039;s waiver if that is possible. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Second is the philisophical &quot;should you drive&quot;. You need to distinguish &lt;br /&gt; between your fear of driving and your genuine ability to drive. Most people &lt;br /&gt; get their DL when they are young and clueless. They have no fear of driving. &lt;br /&gt; By the time they begin to figure out that this dirving stuff is a huge &lt;br /&gt; responsibility, they have the experience to be more relaxed at it. You &lt;br /&gt; skipped the &quot;young and clueless&quot; phase where you can get the experience &lt;br /&gt; without understanding the responsibility. Many a teenager has many &quot;near &lt;br /&gt; misses&quot; (and a few direct hits :)). They shrug it off and keep going. &lt;br /&gt; Hopefully, they learned something along the way. You may not be any &lt;br /&gt; different than them, you just set higher standards. You need to account for &lt;br /&gt; both your bad eyes and your lack of experience. I have nystagmus and find &lt;br /&gt; that I must adapt to how tired I am and how comfortable I am with where I am &lt;br /&gt; driving. It does limit me more than a &quot;normal&quot; driver. But it doesn&#039;t stop &lt;br /&gt; me. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;HOWEVER, it is also possible that you just cannot see well enough to drive. &lt;br /&gt; I worked with my opthamologist to understand where I fit into the fear vs. &lt;br /&gt; ability balance. She cautioned me against driving at night and driving when &lt;br /&gt; I am tired. But then she said that the eyes don&#039;t stop me. I am doing fine. &lt;br /&gt; I would suggest that you find an eye doctor that you trust and get their &lt;br /&gt; opinion and help. This will also help you get past the fear factor. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&quot;Magnulus&quot; &lt;magnu...@bellsouth.net&gt; wrote in message &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;news:IdAvd.4019$Ap1.3543@bignews6.bellsouth.net... &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -&lt;/p&gt;&gt; &#160; Could somebody give me some advice on vision problems and driving? &lt;br /&gt; &lt;p&gt;&gt; &#160; &#160;I want to know how I go about finding out if I should be driving. &#160; I &lt;br /&gt; &gt; have a learner&#039;s permit from Oklahoma. &#160;I live in Florida currently and I &lt;br /&gt; &gt; don&#039;t drive, at age 28. &#160;I know how to drive and I have alot of practice, &lt;br /&gt; &gt; but I don&#039;t feel comfortable driving, in particular I have had a few &quot;near &lt;br /&gt; &gt; accidents&quot; and I always feel nervous driving. &#160;I don&#039;t know what my visual &lt;br /&gt; &gt; acuity is, but it is far from perfect 20/20. &#160; I have congenital &lt;br /&gt; nystagmus, &lt;br /&gt; &gt; caused by hypoplastic optic nerves, with a null point, myopia, and &lt;br /&gt; &gt; strabismus, and my left eye is worse than my right eye at distance. &#160;I &lt;br /&gt; also &lt;br /&gt; &gt; don&#039;t always have constant binocular vision, in fact most of the time I &lt;br /&gt; &gt; don&#039;t (but I don&#039;t have amblyopia). &#160; An eye doctor has never told me what &lt;br /&gt; &gt; my vision is. &#160;I believe my glasses are around 5-7 diopters. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&gt; &#160; &#160;I did not take Drivers Ed in highschool because I was in a special PE &lt;br /&gt; &gt; class for disabled students. &#160;In college (I have a 2 year degree) in &lt;br /&gt; &gt; Oklahoma I took driving lessons, and one of my instructors said he was not &lt;br /&gt; &gt; sure I should be driving. &#160;He was very uncomfortable with my driving, &lt;br /&gt; &gt; especially on longer lessons. &#160;I really feel fatigued if I drive any &lt;br /&gt; longer &lt;br /&gt; &gt; than 12 minutes without a break. &#160;My eyes/head feel really fatigued and I &lt;br /&gt; &gt; feel like I start to loose concentration. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;
  
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are several issues to resolve here. <br /> 
<p>First, is a learners permit fro Oklahoma valid in Florida. I would guess not <br /> and that you will need to apply for a FL permit. This means you will have to <br /> meet FL&#8217;s vision requirements. Or get a doctor&#8217;s waiver if that is possible.  </p>
<p>Second is the philisophical &quot;should you drive&quot;. You need to distinguish <br /> between your fear of driving and your genuine ability to drive. Most people <br /> get their DL when they are young and clueless. They have no fear of driving. <br /> By the time they begin to figure out that this dirving stuff is a huge <br /> responsibility, they have the experience to be more relaxed at it. You <br /> skipped the &quot;young and clueless&quot; phase where you can get the experience <br /> without understanding the responsibility. Many a teenager has many &quot;near <br /> misses&quot; (and a few direct hits <img src='http://www.humanvision.info/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> ). They shrug it off and keep going. <br /> Hopefully, they learned something along the way. You may not be any <br /> different than them, you just set higher standards. You need to account for <br /> both your bad eyes and your lack of experience. I have nystagmus and find <br /> that I must adapt to how tired I am and how comfortable I am with where I am <br /> driving. It does limit me more than a &quot;normal&quot; driver. But it doesn&#8217;t stop <br /> me.  </p>
<p>HOWEVER, it is also possible that you just cannot see well enough to drive. <br /> I worked with my opthamologist to understand where I fit into the fear vs. <br /> ability balance. She cautioned me against driving at night and driving when <br /> I am tired. But then she said that the eyes don&#8217;t stop me. I am doing fine. <br /> I would suggest that you find an eye doctor that you trust and get their <br /> opinion and help. This will also help you get past the fear factor.  </p>
<p>&quot;Magnulus&quot; &lt;magnu&#8230;@bellsouth.net&gt; wrote in message </p>
<p>news:IdAvd.4019$Ap1.3543@bignews6.bellsouth.net&#8230;  </p>
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<p>&gt; &nbsp; Could somebody give me some advice on vision problems and driving? <br /> 
<p>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp;I want to know how I go about finding out if I should be driving. &nbsp; I <br /> &gt; have a learner&#8217;s permit from Oklahoma. &nbsp;I live in Florida currently and I <br /> &gt; don&#8217;t drive, at age 28. &nbsp;I know how to drive and I have alot of practice, <br /> &gt; but I don&#8217;t feel comfortable driving, in particular I have had a few &quot;near <br /> &gt; accidents&quot; and I always feel nervous driving. &nbsp;I don&#8217;t know what my visual <br /> &gt; acuity is, but it is far from perfect 20/20. &nbsp; I have congenital <br /> nystagmus, <br /> &gt; caused by hypoplastic optic nerves, with a null point, myopia, and <br /> &gt; strabismus, and my left eye is worse than my right eye at distance. &nbsp;I <br /> also <br /> &gt; don&#8217;t always have constant binocular vision, in fact most of the time I <br /> &gt; don&#8217;t (but I don&#8217;t have amblyopia). &nbsp; An eye doctor has never told me what <br /> &gt; my vision is. &nbsp;I believe my glasses are around 5-7 diopters.  </p>
<p>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp;I did not take Drivers Ed in highschool because I was in a special PE <br /> &gt; class for disabled students. &nbsp;In college (I have a 2 year degree) in <br /> &gt; Oklahoma I took driving lessons, and one of my instructors said he was not <br /> &gt; sure I should be driving. &nbsp;He was very uncomfortable with my driving, <br /> &gt; especially on longer lessons. &nbsp;I really feel fatigued if I drive any <br /> longer <br /> &gt; than 12 minutes without a break. &nbsp;My eyes/head feel really fatigued and I <br /> &gt; feel like I start to loose concentration. </p>
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