I would like to convince my employer of my need for a better computer
monitor, in order to increase the refresh rate (esp. interlaced to
non-interlaced) and resolution (CRT dot pitch) and thereby reduce
eyestrain and headaches.
Are there any medical reports which I can use to establish this link
and justify to my employer the need for a new monitor?
–
Michael Malak Home: ma…@access.digex.net
Washington, DC Work: ma…@notes.sonix.com
The problem is also any flourescent lighting, the tow work in conjunction
to casue eye fatigue. My present employer (I’m a consultant) has given me
the most fatigue due to the extreme amount of flourescent lighting over
the computer work areas. My previous employer let me use an incandescent
lamp on my desk for lighting and I never had any eyeproblems.
Andy
Michael Malak (ma…@access5.digex.net) wrote:
: I would like to convince my employer of my need for a better computer
: monitor, in order to increase the refresh rate (esp. interlaced to
: non-interlaced) and resolution (CRT dot pitch) and thereby reduce
: eyestrain and headaches.
:
: Are there any medical reports which I can use to establish this link
: and justify to my employer the need for a new monitor?
:
: —
: Michael Malak Home: ma…@access.digex.net
: Washington, DC Work: ma…@notes.sonix.com
:
domon…@access5.digex.net (Andy Domonkos) wrote:
>The problem is also any flourescent lighting, the tow work in conjunction
>to casue eye fatigue. My present employer (I’m a consultant) has given me
>the most fatigue due to the extreme amount of flourescent lighting over
>the computer work areas. My previous employer let me use an incandescent
>lamp on my desk for lighting and I never had any eyeproblems.
I have an incandescent lamp on my desk; however, its IR hurts my
mouse’s eyes, so I have to use my mouse in my desk drawer. But that’s
OK; it’s more ergonomic that way anyhow. And mice should be clicked
and not seen.
Ray
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>Michael Malak (ma…@access5.digex.net) wrote:
>: I would like to convince my employer of my need for a better computer
>: monitor, in order to increase the refresh rate (esp. interlaced to
>: non-interlaced) and resolution (CRT dot pitch) and thereby reduce
>: eyestrain and headaches.
>:
>: Are there any medical reports which I can use to establish this link
>: and justify to my employer the need for a new monitor?
>:
>: —
>: Michael Malak Home: ma…@access.digex.net
>: Washington, DC Work: ma…@notes.sonix.com
>:
ma…@access5.digex.net (Michael Malak) writes:
> I would like to convince my employer of my need for a better computer
> monitor, in order to increase the refresh rate (esp. interlaced to
> non-interlaced) and resolution (CRT dot pitch) and thereby reduce
> eyestrain and headaches.
> Are there any medical reports which I can use to establish this link
> and justify to my employer the need for a new monitor?
> —
> Michael Malak Home: ma…@access.digex.net
> Washington, DC Work: ma…@notes.sonix.com
If you’re running a new enough computer, there is a set of win95 utils
called "power toys", which you can download from microsoft. One of them
lets you adjust many settings on monitors, including refresh rate, if
the card supports it. Changing the refresh rate just slightly is
enough for me-and I spend 20 hrs a week in front of a screen as a web
programmer. If you have an older computer, your drivers may allow
adjustment, and there may be utils that help there too-check the FTP
site for the manufacturer, simtel (www.simtel.com) and see.
As far as medical links, look for information on "nintendo epilepsy"-
the phenomenon by which computer gaming players sometimes get headaches
and seizures due to screen flicker. Many mentioned a migraine connection
as well, and the resource list might give even more specific references.
Finally, if you wear glasses, and haven’t already, check about getting
a Anti-reflective coating-this really helps to reduce eyestrain from
long hours on the computer. It cost me about $50 to get one added to
mine, and has been well worth it.
Hope some of this helps
D2M
–
Donna DeVore Mettler
dmett…@ttmath.ttu.edu
http://www.math.ttu.edu/~dmettler/
Musician, Preschool Teacher, and Education Grad Student
All Children deserve a SPECIAL education!
On 21 Oct 1996, Michael Malak wrote:
> I would like to convince my employer of my need for a better computer
> monitor, in order to increase the refresh rate (esp. interlaced to
> non-interlaced) and resolution (CRT dot pitch) and thereby reduce
> eyestrain and headaches.
> Are there any medical reports which I can use to establish this link
> and justify to my employer the need for a new monitor?
> —
> Michael Malak Home: ma…@access.digex.net
> Washington, DC Work: ma…@notes.sonix.com
Look at your local library or on the Web for information on the
Americans with Disabilities Act. This will help with the procedures for
justifying the need to your employer.
I don’t know of any medical reports on this subject, although
it’s been discussed quite a bit on this newsgroup. Once again, you could
surf the Web for info. Here are two good migraine Web pages, if you don’t
already have the links:
http://www.ntek.com/ronda/
Ronda’s Migraine Page
http://www.headaches.org/
National Headache Foundation Sign-In Page
I’m taking the liberty of re-posting a good post on lighting.
Yours,
Dennis
<*****quote*****>
From jord…@iquest.netTue Oct 22 08:31:15 1996
Date: 14 Oct 1996 18:55:17 GMT
From: Jordanne <jord…@iquest.net>
Newsgroups: alt.support.headaches.migraine
Subject: lighting and migraines
Dear folks of ASHM,
I have been wanting to write this post for a long time. I am a
lighting designer and also I get migraines. I have been studying the
effects of lighting on people who are prone to migraine.
I am able to do this because I design lighting for the work stations of
people with physical and mental handicaps. Many of those persons get
migraines in addition to their other handicaps.
Here are a few things I have learned about light and migraines:
1: cool white fluorescent lights are terrible for many migraine
sufferers. They put out mostly ultraviolet and violet light which
makes your photoreceptors in the eyes work about 8 times harder than
they would in warm white fluorescent light. The first thing I do when
designing a work station is to change all the fluorescent lights from
cool white to warm white. (the color label is on the tube itself. Warm
whites are labeled WW or F40WW or DX40/27, depending upon which brand
you buy)
2. Direct sunlight on the work station will sometimes cause a
migraine. I always install window shades to temper the light.
3. Indirect light, such as wall sconces that direct the light in a
nice wash up or down the wall is preferable to overhead light. Lamps
with pink shades will also do this effectively.
Now here is the biggie!! Somewhere I read in an old obscure journal
that if a person is in a migraine cycle, or even in the process of a
single headache, that if all artificial light is eliminated except
green light (also known as middle-spectrum light), the person is more
likely to recover more quickly.
I have tried this out on myself and a couple of my clients. I
installed a lamp with a green party bulb next to my desk lamp. If I
feel a headache coming on, I close the shades, turn off all lights
except the desk lamp, with a heavy shade, and a green bulb. The
results were astonishing. My headache never fully developed. Also I
installed a green, shaded, lamp in my bedroom since I tend to wake up
with a headache. If I woke up and felt headachey, I turned on the lamp
which was about 3 feet from my bed. The green glow fell on the side of
the bed, but not directly in my eyes. When I woke up again later, no
headache. Same results for my clients. I do not claim that it works
all the time, nor do I know which people it will work for. But I do
know that it has worked sometimes for me and my clients.
Now I recognize that this is a very small sample, not big enough to
draw any conclusions. But if any of you are willing to invest a couple
of dollars for a green light bulb and try it out yourself, then report
the results to me, I’d appreciate it very much. This might be
something that could help a lot of people.
If you do try it, please let me know your results. And if you do try
it, remember to try to eliminate other kinds of light from the room.
Thanks a bunch,
Jordanne
jord…@on-net.net
jord…@iquest.net
http://www.stjpub.com/personal/wiredapache.html/
Dennis Stallings <denst…@tyrell.net> wrote:
>On 21 Oct 1996, Michael Malak wrote:
……………….
From a quoted letter:
>Here are a few things I have learned about light and migraines:
>1: cool white fluorescent lights are terrible for many migraine
>sufferers. They put out mostly ultraviolet and violet light
BS! Very little, although a little more than do warm white ones.
>which
>makes your photoreceptors in the eyes work about 8 times harder than
>they would in warm white fluorescent light.
Who figured this out? Where? Who says such a thing would have
anything to do with migraine if actual?
>The first thing I do when
>designing a work station is to change all the fluorescent lights from
>cool white to warm white. (the color label is on the tube itself. Warm
>whites are labeled WW or F40WW or DX40/27, depending upon which brand
>you buy)
So you prefer warm white; probably nothing more.
>2. Direct sunlight on the work station will sometimes cause a
>migraine. I always install window shades to temper the light.
>3. Indirect light, such as wall sconces that direct the light in a
>nice wash up or down the wall is preferable to overhead light. Lamps
>with pink shades will also do this effectively.
>Now here is the biggie!! Somewhere I read in an old obscure journal
>that if a person is in a migraine cycle, or even in the process of a
>single headache, that if all artificial light is eliminated except
>green light (also known as middle-spectrum light), the person is more
>likely to recover more quickly.
Define "artificial light" while keeping a straight face.
>I have tried this out on myself and a couple of my clients. I
>installed a lamp with a green party bulb next to my desk lamp. If I
>feel a headache coming on, I close the shades, turn off all lights
>except the desk lamp, with a heavy shade, and a green bulb. The
>results were astonishing. My headache never fully developed. Also I
>installed a green, shaded, lamp in my bedroom since I tend to wake up
>with a headache.
Must be all that UV in your dreams.
>If I woke up and felt headachey, I turned on the lamp
>which was about 3 feet from my bed. The green glow fell on the side of
>the bed, but not directly in my eyes. When I woke up again later, no
>headache. Same results for my clients. I do not claim that it works
>all the time, nor do I know which people it will work for. But I do
>know that it has worked sometimes for me and my clients.
Have you tried UV or violet light on any of your aching clients? Or
even white light, warm or otherwise? How about plaid?
>Now I recognize that this is a very small sample, not big enough to
>draw any conclusions. But if any of you are willing to invest a couple
>of dollars for a green light bulb and try it out yourself, then report
>the results to me, I’d appreciate it very much. This might be
>something that could help a lot of people.
Or waste their time / confuse them.
>If you do try it, please let me know your results. And if you do try
>it, remember to try to eliminate other kinds of light from the room.
>Thanks a bunch,
>Jordanne
>jord…@on-net.net
>jord…@iquest.net
>http://www.stjpub.com/personal/wiredapache.html/
Sorry, I don’t get migraines under any circumstances, so I’d wreck
your database (?).
Ray
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Dennis Stallings <denst…@tyrell.net> wrote:
>On 21 Oct 1996, Michael Malak wrote:
>> I would like to convince my employer of my need for a better computer
>> monitor, in order to increase the refresh rate (esp. interlaced to
>> non-interlaced) and resolution (CRT dot pitch) and thereby reduce
>> eyestrain and headaches.
>> Are there any medical reports which I can use to establish this link
>> and justify to my employer the need for a new monitor?
>> —
>> Michael Malak Home: ma…@access.digex.net
>> Washington, DC Work: ma…@notes.sonix.com
> Look at your local library or on the Web for information on the
>Americans with Disabilities Act. This will help with the procedures for
>justifying the need to your employer.
> I don’t know of any medical reports on this subject, although
>it’s been discussed quite a bit on this newsgroup. Once again, you could
>surf the Web for info. Here are two good migraine Web pages, if you don’t
>already have the links:
>http://www.ntek.com/ronda/
> Ronda’s Migraine Page
>http://www.headaches.org/
> National Headache Foundation Sign-In Page
> I’m taking the liberty of re-posting a good post on lighting.
>Yours,
>Dennis
><*****quote*****>
>From jord…@iquest.netTue Oct 22 08:31:15 1996
>Date: 14 Oct 1996 18:55:17 GMT
>From: Jordanne <jord…@iquest.net>
>Newsgroups: alt.support.headaches.migraine
>Subject: lighting and migraines
>Dear folks of ASHM,
>I have been wanting to write this post for a long time. I am a
>lighting designer and also I get migraines. I have been studying the
>effects of lighting on people who are prone to migraine.
>I am able to do this because I design lighting for the work stations of
>people with physical and mental handicaps. Many of those persons get
>migraines in addition to their other handicaps.
>Here are a few things I have learned about light and migraines:
>1: cool white fluorescent lights are terrible for many migraine
>sufferers. They put out mostly ultraviolet and violet light which
>makes your photoreceptors in the eyes work about 8 times harder than
>they would in warm white fluorescent light. The first thing I do when
>designing a work station is to change all the fluorescent lights from
>cool white to warm white. (the color label is on the tube itself. Warm
>whites are labeled WW or F40WW or DX40/27, depending upon which brand
>you buy)
I have had about 35 years experience with all types of
lighting and it is my opinion that rather than Warm White
Fluorescent lamps that it is better to use Daylight lamps.
Warm White lamps have a yellow tint and Daylight is the
closest to actual daylight. They have a very slight blue
tint if any.
If your work area is lighted with Fluorsent fixtures, add a
small incandescent lamp even if it is real small just so it
puts a little light out, even if you can’t see it. This
will reduce the 60 cycle flicker effect. I don’t mean to
imply that it gets rid of them, it just makes them a less
problem and less noticeable.
\\/ayne //\ann
"The President has kept all of the promises he
intended to keep."
- George Stephanopolous on "Larry King Live"
- 2/16/96
In article <54kgo9$…@sun.sirius.com>, ra…@sirius.com (Raymond A.
Chamberlin) writes:
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>BS! Very little, although a little more than do warm white ones.
>Who figured this out? Where? Who says such a thing would have
>anything to do with migraine if actual?
>.
>So you prefer warm white; probably nothing more.
>.
>Define "artificial light" while keeping a straight face.
>.
>Must be all that UV in your dreams..
>Have you tried UV or violet light on any of your aching clients? Or
>even white light, warm or otherwise? How about plaid?
>.
>Or waste their time / confuse them.
>Sorry, I don’t get migraines under any circumstances, so I’d wreck
>your database (?).
>Ray
O.K. Ray, can I call you Ray? Thanks.
First of all, I take from your final line, that you stumbled (literally)
into our group by doing a search on computers or eyestrain.
Attack one, attack us all. We are all adults here, willing and able to use
information posted here, as we see fit. This gentleman wasn’t trying to
sell us anything. He is trying to help people with information he feels
has some merit.
Please do not make comments about something you know nothing
about…..migraines. Especially, insulting, illogical, inane, and
comments.
I don’t know what your problem is, don’t want to discuss it, and can’t
cure it. But, maybe you should discuss this problem with a doctor. It
sounds to me like you may be suffering from *flourescent tube* envy.
If you should decide to *flame* in return, please E-mail me directly, as I
don’t feel the need to use up valuable bandwidth, putting the entire group
through downloading your dribble.
Sorry if my wording appears to be insulting, I don’t mean them to
be….really.
Since you may not *stumble* here again, I will E-mail to you, a copy.
Maybe if your Mother reads it, she won’t let you play with the computer
again!!!!
Bob
P.S.—Group, If this guy mail bombs me, and you don’t here from me in
awhile ….. ………… I may need you to send me a Hacker!!!!! <G>
He didn’t know That I’m STILL………..In the MOOD…
In article <54kgo9$…@sun.sirius.com>, ra…@sirius.com (Raymond A.
Chamberlin) writes:
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>BS! Very little, although a little more than do warm white ones.
>Who figured this out? Where? Who says such a thing would have
>anything to do with migraine if actual?
>.
>So you prefer warm white; probably nothing more.
>.
>Define "artificial light" while keeping a straight face.
>.
>Must be all that UV in your dreams..
>Have you tried UV or violet light on any of your aching clients? Or
>even white light, warm or otherwise? How about plaid?
>.
>Or waste their time / confuse them.
>Sorry, I don’t get migraines under any circumstances, so I’d wreck
>your database (?).
>Ray
O.K. Ray, can I call you Ray? Thanks.
First of all, I take from your final line, that you stumbled (literally)
into our headache group by doing a search on computers or eyestrain.
Attack one, attack us all. We are all adults here, willing and able to use
information posted here, as we see fit. This gentleman wasn’t trying to
sell us anything. He is trying to help people with information he feels
has some merit.
Please do not make comments about something you know nothing
about…..migraines. Especially, insulting, illogical, inane, and
comments.
I don’t know what your problem is, don’t want to discuss it, and can’t
cure it. But, maybe you should discuss this problem with a doctor. It
sounds to me like you may be suffering from *flourescent tube* envy.
If you should decide to *flame* in return, please E-mail me directly, as I
don’t feel the need to use up valuable bandwidth, putting the entire group
through downloading your dribble.
Sorry if my wording appears to be insulting, I don’t mean them to
be….really.
Since you may not *stumble* here again, I will E-mail to you, a copy.
Maybe if your Mother reads it, she won’t let you play with the computer
again!!!!
Bob
P.S.—Group, If this guy mail bombs me, and you don’t here from me in
awhile ….. ………… I may need you to send me a Hacker!!!!! <G>
He didn’t know That I’m STILL………..In the MOOD…
At 07:06 PM 10/23/96 -0400, you wrote:
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>Chamberlin) writes:
>.
>>BS! Very little, although a little more than do warm white ones.
>>Who figured this out? Where? Who says such a thing would have
>>anything to do with migraine if actual?
>>.
>>So you prefer warm white; probably nothing more.
>>.
>>Define "artificial light" while keeping a straight face.
>>.
>>Must be all that UV in your dreams..
>>Have you tried UV or violet light on any of your aching clients? Or
>>even white light, warm or otherwise? How about plaid?
>>.
>>Or waste their time / confuse them.
>>Sorry, I don’t get migraines under any circumstances, so I’d wreck
>>your database (?).
>>Ray
>O.K. Ray, can I call you Ray? Thanks.
>First of all, I take from your final line, that you stumbled (literally) into
>our group by doing a search on computers or eyestrain.
Wrong! The poster whose article I answered cross-posted to
sci.med.vision where I normally post. If you people in the migraine
group can’t handle rebuttle, stay in your own bailiwick. From the
e-mail response resultant from my post, it’s clear that you people are
some kind of think-alike cult. If you can’t handle the outside world,
then don’t let any of your people cross-post. I’m not specifically
interested in eyestrain, computers or lighting and don’t search the
Net for these things.
>Attack one, attack us all. We are all adults here, willing and able to use
>information posted here, as we see fit. This gentleman wasn’t trying to sell
>us anything. He is trying to help people with information he feels has some
>merit.
If phony gospel is put in front of me, I’m liable to rebut it in terms
of practical knowledge. If your adults, you can take it or leave it.
From the e-mail I’m receiving, your not.
>Please do not make comments about something you know nothing
>about…..migraines. Especially, insulting, illogical, inane, and comments.
Do you believe cool-white fluorescent lamps put out more UV than
visible light? Do you think I have to experience migraines to know
the answer to this?
>I don’t know what your problem is, don’t want to discuss it, and can’t cure
>it. But, maybe you should discuss this problem with a doctor. It sounds to me
>like you may be suffering from *flourescent tube* envy.
>If you should decide to *flame* in return, please E-mail me directly, as I
>don’t feel the need to use up valuable bandwidth, putting the entire group
>through downloading your dribble.
Sorry if I’ve inadvertently gotten onto the private channel of some
nuthouse.
>Sorry if my wording appears to be insulting, I don’t mean them to
>be….really.
Do you really know what you mean anything to be?
>Since you may not *stumble* here again, I will E-mail to you, a copy. Maybe
>if your Mother reads it, she won’t let you play with the computer again!!!!
>Bob
Hey, Bobbie, when you learned to play with your computer, didn’t they
ever tell you about cross-posting?
Ray
RWold42932 (rwold42…@aol.com) wrote:
: P.S.—Group, If this guy mail bombs me, and you don’t here from me in
: awhile ….. ………… I may need you to send me a Hacker!!!!! <G>
: He didn’t know That I’m STILL………..In the MOOD…
Ooooooohhhh! Sic’m, Bob!
Priscilla (cheering)
Priscilla H Ballou wrote:
> RWold42932 (rwold42…@aol.com) wrote:
> : P.S.—Group, If this guy mail bombs me, and you don’t here from me in
> : awhile ….. ………… I may need you to send me a Hacker!!!!! <G>
> : He didn’t know That I’m STILL………..In the MOOD…
> Ooooooohhhh! Sic’m, Bob!
> Priscilla (cheering)
Mr Ray answers virtually every post in sci.med.vision, whether he
knows the correct answer or not. Some sort of personal need to be
heard or something, like a child crying for attention. Ignore him.
p…@world.std.com (Priscilla H Ballou) wrote:
>RWold42932 (rwold42…@aol.com) wrote:
>: P.S.—Group, If this guy mail bombs me, and you don’t here from me in
>: awhile ….. ………… I may need you to send me a Hacker!!!!! <G>
>: He didn’t know That I’m STILL………..In the MOOD…
>Ooooooohhhh! Sic’m, Bob!
>Priscilla (cheering)
Nice, girl. Down, girl. Here, close your teeth on this and take it
back to your to your cult leader. That’s a nice girl.
Rrrrrrrrrrrff!
Ray