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		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 05:29:59 +0000</pubDate>
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  &lt;p&gt;Dan Abel wrote: &lt;br /&gt; &gt; So, he gave me the drive test, about 20 minutes of driving around the &lt;br /&gt; &gt; exact area where I&#039;ve lived for the last 25 years. &#160;I passed easily, and &lt;br /&gt; &gt; now for the first time in almost 40 years I have an unrestricted driving &lt;br /&gt; &gt; license. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;WAY TO GO! &#160;Good for 5 years now, right? &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;-- &lt;br /&gt; Cheers, &lt;br /&gt; Bev &lt;br /&gt; --------------------------------------------- &lt;br /&gt; &quot;The primary purpose of any government entity &lt;br /&gt; &#160;is to employ the unemployable.&quot; &lt;br /&gt;
  
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan Abel wrote: <br /> &gt; So, he gave me the drive test, about 20 minutes of driving around the <br /> &gt; exact area where I&#8217;ve lived for the last 25 years. &nbsp;I passed easily, and <br /> &gt; now for the first time in almost 40 years I have an unrestricted driving <br /> &gt; license. </p>
<p>WAY TO GO! &nbsp;Good for 5 years now, right?  </p>
<p>&#8211; <br /> Cheers, <br /> Bev <br /> &#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212; <br /> &quot;The primary purpose of any government entity <br /> &nbsp;is to employ the unemployable.&quot; </p>
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  In article &lt;41AEAC16.ACD5C...@myrealbox.com&gt;, The Real Bev &lt;br /&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;bash...@myrealbox.com&gt; wrote: &lt;br /&gt; &gt; Dan Abel wrote: &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&gt; &gt; So, he gave me the drive test, about 20 minutes of driving around the &lt;br /&gt; &gt; &gt; exact area where I&#039;ve lived for the last 25 years. &#160;I passed easily, and &lt;br /&gt; &gt; &gt; now for the first time in almost 40 years I have an unrestricted driving &lt;br /&gt; &gt; &gt; license. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&gt; WAY TO GO! &#160;Good for 5 years now, right? &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;I wasn&#039;t told specifically, but my wife went through the same process last &lt;br /&gt; spring (flunked the vision screening twice, and had to take a driving test &lt;br /&gt; to prove that she could drive with one eye). &#160;She was told that it was a &lt;br /&gt; one-time thing, and that she would never have to take another driving test &lt;br /&gt; (for that condition, at least). &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I understand that your mother had to take a driving test, and things may &lt;br /&gt; be different for her. &#160;For my wife and I, our conditions are not age &lt;br /&gt; related (we are 54), and in both cases the OD marked our DMV forms in the &lt;br /&gt; checkbox labelled &quot;stable&quot;. &#160;If your mother&#039;s eye problems are age related &lt;br /&gt; and/or degenerative, then the DMV may well require periodic driving tests. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;-- &lt;br /&gt; Dan Abel &lt;br /&gt; Sonoma State University &lt;br /&gt; AIS &lt;br /&gt; da...@sonic.net &lt;br /&gt;
  
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In article &lt;41AEAC16.ACD5C&#8230;@myrealbox.com&gt;, The Real Bev <br /> 
<p>&lt;bash&#8230;@myrealbox.com&gt; wrote: <br /> &gt; Dan Abel wrote:  </p>
<p>&gt; &gt; So, he gave me the drive test, about 20 minutes of driving around the <br /> &gt; &gt; exact area where I&#8217;ve lived for the last 25 years. &nbsp;I passed easily, and <br /> &gt; &gt; now for the first time in almost 40 years I have an unrestricted driving <br /> &gt; &gt; license.  </p>
<p>&gt; WAY TO GO! &nbsp;Good for 5 years now, right? </p>
<p>I wasn&#8217;t told specifically, but my wife went through the same process last <br /> spring (flunked the vision screening twice, and had to take a driving test <br /> to prove that she could drive with one eye). &nbsp;She was told that it was a <br /> one-time thing, and that she would never have to take another driving test <br /> (for that condition, at least).  </p>
<p>I understand that your mother had to take a driving test, and things may <br /> be different for her. &nbsp;For my wife and I, our conditions are not age <br /> related (we are 54), and in both cases the OD marked our DMV forms in the <br /> checkbox labelled &quot;stable&quot;. &nbsp;If your mother&#8217;s eye problems are age related <br /> and/or degenerative, then the DMV may well require periodic driving tests.  </p>
<p>&#8211; <br /> Dan Abel <br /> Sonoma State University <br /> AIS <br /> <a href="mailto:da...@sonic.net">da&#8230;@sonic.net</a> </p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 05:29:58 +0000</pubDate>
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  &lt;p&gt;&gt; &gt; &quot;Dan Abel&quot; &lt;da...@sonic.net&gt; wrote &lt;br /&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; I am heavily dependent on reading glasses, but I DON&#039;T WEAR THEM TO DRIVE. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;You dont&#039; understand, of course, my point. &lt;br /&gt; The science, so called, you believe in, is totally wrong and against &lt;br /&gt; the plain evidence of the facts. &lt;br /&gt; I do not know why it is so. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&gt; Bigtime! &#160;Now we will have to hear how wearing minus lenses &lt;br /&gt; &gt; eliminates presbyopia. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;Presbyopia you can eliminate easily without any glasses, just learning &lt;br /&gt; the proper use of the eyes, memory and imagination. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&gt; 1) &#160;People who do little near work have low incidence of myopia. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;Not true. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&gt; 2) &#160;When same population starts doing near work, myopia skyrockets. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;Not true for all. Explain why AT LEAST ONE gets no mypia. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&gt; 3) &#160;Plus lenses don&#039;t help, so focus isn&#039;t the cause &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;I don&#039;t like plus lenses, but since the PILOT who wears them just &lt;br /&gt; starts exercising his vision with a snellen chart, to me it is a good &lt;br /&gt; work to do. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&gt; 4) &#160;But there must be some &#160;OTHER &#160;cause -- prism? &#160;gravity/axis? &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;Discard this. The causes for imperfect sight are plainly in sight: it &lt;br /&gt; is strain to see. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&gt; 5) &#160;May not be good to cure. &#160;I&#039;d rather wear distance vision &lt;br /&gt; &gt; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;glasses than readers. &#160;Larger tolerances. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;You&#039;d rather be cured by rest methods. &lt;br /&gt; And return as God created you, without spectacles. &lt;br /&gt;
  
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; &gt; &quot;Dan Abel&quot; &lt;da&#8230;@sonic.net&gt; wrote <br /> &gt; &gt;&gt; I am heavily dependent on reading glasses, but I DON&#8217;T WEAR THEM TO DRIVE. </p>
<p>You dont&#8217; understand, of course, my point. <br /> The science, so called, you believe in, is totally wrong and against <br /> the plain evidence of the facts. <br /> I do not know why it is so.  </p>
<p>&gt; Bigtime! &nbsp;Now we will have to hear how wearing minus lenses <br /> &gt; eliminates presbyopia. </p>
<p>Presbyopia you can eliminate easily without any glasses, just learning <br /> the proper use of the eyes, memory and imagination.  </p>
<p>&gt; 1) &nbsp;People who do little near work have low incidence of myopia. </p>
<p>Not true.  </p>
<p>&gt; 2) &nbsp;When same population starts doing near work, myopia skyrockets. </p>
<p>Not true for all. Explain why AT LEAST ONE gets no mypia.  </p>
<p>&gt; 3) &nbsp;Plus lenses don&#8217;t help, so focus isn&#8217;t the cause </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t like plus lenses, but since the PILOT who wears them just <br /> starts exercising his vision with a snellen chart, to me it is a good <br /> work to do.  </p>
<p>&gt; 4) &nbsp;But there must be some &nbsp;OTHER &nbsp;cause &#8212; prism? &nbsp;gravity/axis? </p>
<p>Discard this. The causes for imperfect sight are plainly in sight: it <br /> is strain to see.  </p>
<p>&gt; 5) &nbsp;May not be good to cure. &nbsp;I&#8217;d rather wear distance vision <br /> &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;glasses than readers. &nbsp;Larger tolerances. </p>
<p>You&#8217;d rather be cured by rest methods. <br /> And return as God created you, without spectacles. </p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 05:29:57 +0000</pubDate>
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  &lt;p&gt;Mike Tyner &lt;mty...@mindspring.com&gt; wrote: &lt;br /&gt; &gt; &quot;Dan Abel&quot; &lt;da...@sonic.net&gt; wrote &lt;br /&gt; &gt;&gt; I am heavily dependent on reading glasses, but I DON&#039;T WEAR THEM TO DRIVE. &lt;br /&gt; &gt; Now you stepped in it... &#160;&gt; &gt; -MT &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;Bigtime! &#160;Now we will have to hear how wearing minus lenses &lt;br /&gt; eliminates presbyopia. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Now I&#039;m going to step in it: &#160;Rishi &amp; Otis may be loons, but we know: &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;1) &#160;People who do little near work have low incidence of myopia. &lt;br /&gt; 2) &#160;When same population starts doing near work, myopia skyrockets. &lt;br /&gt; 3) &#160;Plus lenses don&#039;t help, so focus isn&#039;t the cause &lt;br /&gt; 4) &#160;But there must be some &#160;OTHER &#160;cause -- prism? &#160;gravity/axis? &lt;br /&gt; 5) &#160;May not be good to cure. &#160;I&#039;d rather wear distance vision &lt;br /&gt; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;glasses than readers. &#160;Larger tolerances. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;-- Robert &lt;br /&gt;
  
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike Tyner &lt;mty&#8230;@mindspring.com&gt; wrote: <br /> &gt; &quot;Dan Abel&quot; &lt;da&#8230;@sonic.net&gt; wrote <br /> &gt;&gt; I am heavily dependent on reading glasses, but I DON&#8217;T WEAR THEM TO DRIVE. <br /> &gt; Now you stepped in it&#8230; &nbsp;&gt; &gt; -MT </p>
<p>Bigtime! &nbsp;Now we will have to hear how wearing minus lenses <br /> eliminates presbyopia.  </p>
<p>Now I&#8217;m going to step in it: &nbsp;Rishi &amp; Otis may be loons, but we know:  </p>
<p>1) &nbsp;People who do little near work have low incidence of myopia. <br /> 2) &nbsp;When same population starts doing near work, myopia skyrockets. <br /> 3) &nbsp;Plus lenses don&#8217;t help, so focus isn&#8217;t the cause <br /> 4) &nbsp;But there must be some &nbsp;OTHER &nbsp;cause &#8212; prism? &nbsp;gravity/axis? <br /> 5) &nbsp;May not be good to cure. &nbsp;I&#8217;d rather wear distance vision <br /> &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;glasses than readers. &nbsp;Larger tolerances.  </p>
<p>&#8211; Robert </p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 05:29:56 +0000</pubDate>
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  &lt;p&gt;&quot;Dan Abel&quot; &lt;da...@sonic.net&gt; wrote &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&gt; I am heavily dependent on reading glasses, but I DON&#039;T WEAR THEM TO DRIVE. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;Now you stepped in it... &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;-MT &lt;br /&gt;
  
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;Dan Abel&quot; &lt;da&#8230;@sonic.net&gt; wrote  </p>
<p>&gt; I am heavily dependent on reading glasses, but I DON&#8217;T WEAR THEM TO DRIVE. </p>
<p>Now you stepped in it&#8230;  </p>
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  &lt;p&gt;da...@sonic.net (Dan Abel) wrote in message &lt;news:dabel-3011041414580001@ssu-64en129.sonoma.edu&gt;... &lt;br /&gt; &gt; So, he gave me the drive test, about 20 minutes of driving around the &lt;br /&gt; &gt; exact area where I&#039;ve lived for the last 25 years. &#160;I passed easily, and &lt;br /&gt; &gt; now for the first time in almost 40 years I have an unrestricted driving &lt;br /&gt; &gt; license. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;Poor man, and still you believe in these things??? &lt;br /&gt;
  
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="mailto:da...@sonic.net">da&#8230;@sonic.net</a> (Dan Abel) wrote in message &lt;news:dabel-3011041414580001@ssu-64en129.sonoma.edu&gt;&#8230; <br /> &gt; So, he gave me the drive test, about 20 minutes of driving around the <br /> &gt; exact area where I&#8217;ve lived for the last 25 years. &nbsp;I passed easily, and <br /> &gt; now for the first time in almost 40 years I have an unrestricted driving <br /> &gt; license. </p>
<p>Poor man, and still you believe in these things??? </p>
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  In article &lt;c72b1499.0412011030.1b6e4...@posting.google.com&gt;, &lt;br /&gt; g.ga...@agora.it (Rishi Giovanni Gatti) wrote: &lt;br /&gt; &lt;p&gt;&gt; da...@sonic.net (Dan Abel) wrote in message &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;news:dabel-3011041414580001@ssu-64en129.sonoma.edu&gt;... &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&gt; &gt; So, he gave me the drive test, about 20 minutes of driving around the &lt;br /&gt; &gt; &gt; exact area where I&#039;ve lived for the last 25 years. &#160;I passed easily, and &lt;br /&gt; &gt; &gt; now for the first time in almost 40 years I have an unrestricted driving &lt;br /&gt; &gt; &gt; license. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&gt; Poor man, and still you believe in these things??? &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;I usually don&#039;t respond to Rishi. &#160;I don&#039;t usually even read his posts, &lt;br /&gt; but he was responding directly to one of mine, in a thread that I created. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;So, WHAT IN THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? &#160;An unrestricted driving &lt;br /&gt; license means that I DON&#039;T WEAR CORRECTIVE LENSES TO DRIVE! &#160;I don&#039;t wear &lt;br /&gt; glasses, and I don&#039;t wear contacts. &#160;What is there to believe in? &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I am heavily dependent on reading glasses, but I DON&#039;T WEAR THEM TO DRIVE. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;-- &lt;br /&gt; Dan Abel &lt;br /&gt; Sonoma State University &lt;br /&gt; AIS &lt;br /&gt; da...@sonic.net &lt;br /&gt;
  
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In article &lt;c72b1499.0412011030.1b6e4&#8230;@posting.google.com&gt;, <br /> <a href="mailto:g.ga...@agora.it">g.ga&#8230;@agora.it</a> (Rishi Giovanni Gatti) wrote: <br /> 
<p>&gt; <a href="mailto:da...@sonic.net">da&#8230;@sonic.net</a> (Dan Abel) wrote in message </p>
<p>&lt;news:dabel-3011041414580001@ssu-64en129.sonoma.edu&gt;&#8230;  </p>
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<p>&gt; &gt; So, he gave me the drive test, about 20 minutes of driving around the <br /> &gt; &gt; exact area where I&#8217;ve lived for the last 25 years. &nbsp;I passed easily, and <br /> &gt; &gt; now for the first time in almost 40 years I have an unrestricted driving <br /> &gt; &gt; license.  </p>
<p>&gt; Poor man, and still you believe in these things??? </p>
<p>I usually don&#8217;t respond to Rishi. &nbsp;I don&#8217;t usually even read his posts, <br /> but he was responding directly to one of mine, in a thread that I created.  </p>
<p>So, WHAT IN THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? &nbsp;An unrestricted driving <br /> license means that I DON&#8217;T WEAR CORRECTIVE LENSES TO DRIVE! &nbsp;I don&#8217;t wear <br /> glasses, and I don&#8217;t wear contacts. &nbsp;What is there to believe in?  </p>
<p>I am heavily dependent on reading glasses, but I DON&#8217;T WEAR THEM TO DRIVE.  </p>
<p>&#8211; <br /> Dan Abel <br /> Sonoma State University <br /> AIS <br /> <a href="mailto:da...@sonic.net">da&#8230;@sonic.net</a> </p>
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