> Just paste a Snellen chart up on the wall, well lighted.

> Practice few minutes per day with each eye separately, and with both
> eyes, to see what you can without straining.

> If you wear glasses, you must discard them and progress will be
> difficult in the beginning.

   Whan an idiot.  Plonk.

>    Whan an idiot.  Plonk.

Strange verses indeed, are you a buffalo or a donkey?

> Other common causes include
>  -decrease in retinal contrast sensitivity
>  -delayed glare recovery
>  -increased haze and loss of transparency in the crystalline lens
>  -vitreous collapse and floaters

> All of these are pretty normal and all of them have no practical treatment.

Again we come across to the absolute incompetence of the competent
people (professionals and medical men…).

Now you can overcome your problem very easily, being a mere mental
problem due to strain to see.

Just paste a Snellen chart up on the wall, well lighted.

Practice few minutes per day with each eye separately, and with both
eyes, to see what you can without straining.

If you wear glasses, you must discard them and progress will be
difficult in the beginning.

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> When I turned 50 I noticed the world growing dimmer and darker. I could
> not see
> nearly as well, in the dark, as I had always done in (younger) life. I
> began to
> take supplements and eat green leafy vegetables, and that did help. But my
> eyes
> still are nothing like when I was just a few years younger.

> I went for an eye checkup. Had her look deep into recesses of my eyes, and
> to
> dilate them. The doc didn’t really want to do this, mainly, it seemed,
> cause it
> just took too long for her (to make money doing). But, I had her dilate my
> eyes
> and take a good inspection.

> She said, "Your eyes are fine. Nothing out of the ordinary." I said, "why
> is my
> night vision getting bad?" She told me it is because my pupils are
> (staying)
> smaller and that is a natural occurence in aging. The idea being: cause my
> pupils don’t open up and dilate as much, they cannot/do not take in as
> much
> light.

> I look in the mirror and…yes, my pupils do seem quite small to me. But,
> I
> wonder if there is more to my condition? At age 50, do one’s eyes just
> shrink
> and refuse to open up (as much) in dark light? Is this condition of having
> small pupils associated with any other disease or syndrome? My checking
> around
> on the net leads me to the conclusion that this is typical with people
> taking
> drugs especially opiates or narcotics. But I do not take and have not
> taken (or
> smoked, etc) any sort of drugs or narcotics. Something else must be at
> work,
> here.

Unfortunately, birthdays are at work.  Besides smaller pupils and slower
reaction of the nerve/muscles that serve the pupil, the eye loses
sensitivity to dim light and is slower to recover from glare with every
passing decade.  Normal aging  changes to the lens of the eye as well as
aging of the retina are likely to blame.  A diet high in dark green
vegetables, a lifetime of protection from ultraviolet light and a history of
not smoking will help, supplements may be of no or mininal help.

Dr Judy

Other common causes include
 -decrease in retinal contrast sensitivity
 -delayed glare recovery
 -increased haze and loss of transparency in the crystalline lens
 -vitreous collapse and floaters

All of these are pretty normal and all of them have no practical treatment.

Some others are not "normal" but still might be unavoidable or untreatable,
mostly neurological problems including toxic episodes (alcohol, tobacco,
environmental poisons) and subtle optic nerve disease.

If small pupils are the problem, there’s a tradeoff – people with small
pupils have less trouble with presbyopia and other refractive problems
because (for focusing purposes) small pupils work better than large.

Basically, it comes with having birthdays.

-MT

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> When I turned 50 I noticed the world growing dimmer and darker. I could
> not see
> nearly as well, in the dark, as I had always done in (younger) life. I
> began to
> take supplements and eat green leafy vegetables, and that did help. But my
> eyes
> still are nothing like when I was just a few years younger.

> I went for an eye checkup. Had her look deep into recesses of my eyes, and
> to
> dilate them. The doc didn’t really want to do this, mainly, it seemed,
> cause it
> just took too long for her (to make money doing). But, I had her dilate my
> eyes
> and take a good inspection.

> She said, "Your eyes are fine. Nothing out of the ordinary." I said, "why
> is my
> night vision getting bad?" She told me it is because my pupils are
> (staying)
> smaller and that is a natural occurence in aging. The idea being: cause my
> pupils don’t open up and dilate as much, they cannot/do not take in as
> much
> light.

> I look in the mirror and…yes, my pupils do seem quite small to me. But,
> I
> wonder if there is more to my condition? At age 50, do one’s eyes just
> shrink
> and refuse to open up (as much) in dark light? Is this condition of having
> small pupils associated with any other disease or syndrome? My checking
> around
> on the net leads me to the conclusion that this is typical with people
> taking
> drugs especially opiates or narcotics. But I do not take and have not
> taken (or
> smoked, etc) any sort of drugs or narcotics. Something else must be at
> work,
> here.

Don’t be alarmed about small pupil size.  It’s quite common.  In actuality
small pupils can provide quite sharp vision as they function almost like a
pinhole camera.

Why don’t you hold a ruler up to your eye and look at the scale in the
mirror.  Then tell us approximately what the pupil size you measured on
yourself in bright room light and also in dim light.  That would be helpful.

"OldMaidButOK" <oldmaidbu…@wmconnect.com> wrote in message

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> When I turned 50 I noticed the world growing dimmer and darker. I could
> not see
> nearly as well, in the dark, as I had always done in (younger) life. I
> began to
> take supplements and eat green leafy vegetables, and that did help. But my
> eyes
> still are nothing like when I was just a few years younger.

> I went for an eye checkup. Had her look deep into recesses of my eyes, and
> to
> dilate them. The doc didn’t really want to do this, mainly, it seemed,
> cause it
> just took too long for her (to make money doing). But, I had her dilate my
> eyes
> and take a good inspection.

> She said, "Your eyes are fine. Nothing out of the ordinary." I said, "why
> is my
> night vision getting bad?" She told me it is because my pupils are
> (staying)
> smaller and that is a natural occurence in aging. The idea being: cause my
> pupils don’t open up and dilate as much, they cannot/do not take in as
> much
> light.

> I look in the mirror and…yes, my pupils do seem quite small to me. But,
> I
> wonder if there is more to my condition? At age 50, do one’s eyes just
> shrink
> and refuse to open up (as much) in dark light? Is this condition of having
> small pupils associated with any other disease or syndrome? My checking
> around
> on the net leads me to the conclusion that this is typical with people
> taking
> drugs especially opiates or narcotics. But I do not take and have not
> taken (or
> smoked, etc) any sort of drugs or narcotics. Something else must be at
> work,
> here.

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On Fri, 03 Dec 2004 14:59:08 GMT, "Mike Tyner" <mty…@mindspring.com> wrote:

>"Don Higgins" <d…@higgins.net> wrote

>> I had to have prism added to get rid of serious double vision (I saw
>> two cars coming at me for every one in front of me).

>Don, Magnulus is talking about using prism for a very different purpose, in
>much larger amounts, to shift his position of gaze.

>> First the vision
>> specialist Dr. Hess gave me temporary prism glasses where he stuck
>> prism lense on the back of my regular thick glasses.

>Excellent suggestion.

>-MT

These press on prisms are called Fresnel, pronounced with a silent "S". I
believe they are made by 3M. Used by clinicians to determine the efficacy of
prescribed prism and the only way to get significant amounts of prism in front
of the eyes.

Robert Martellaro
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Optician/Owner
Roberts Optical
rob…@execpc.com
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"Science is a way of trying not to fool yourself."
  – Richard Feynman

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> The problems with stereo vision would probably mean that base-out prisms
> won’t work for you.  Your situation actually sounds very complex.

   Yeah.   I suspected the base-out prisms might not work based on earlier
descriptions.  The optometrist a few years ago, when I asked about these,
said he didn’t think it was a good idea, though I’ve forgotten his exact
reasoning.  Perhaps he was right.

  The underlying problems I have are moderate myopia and optic nerve
hypoplasia.  I probably should have mentioned the ONH to start out.   Eye
doctors have told me the nystagmus is more of a symptom of optic-nerve
hypoplasia, and the strabismus is likely related as well.  The myopia at one
time was mild, in fact I spent a few years as a kid not wearing glasses at
all.  Today, my perscription has gone up alot (I forgot what it actually
is), but it’s weaker than my parents, both of whom are myopic.  My brother
also finally aquired myopia a few years ago.

  I suspect all the eye disorders I have complicates fitting with a good
perscription.

> The high-minus contacts with high-plus lenses are for acquired nystagmus

   I suspected that too.

> Interestingly enough, there are patients here and there who develop an
> acquired nystagmus on top of the congenital nystagmus, and those folks
> experience oscillopsia.

  What about drugs to control nystagmus?  I have heard of experimental use
of anti-convulsants, but is this for aquired nystagmus only?  Years ago I
took depakene (valproic acid, anticonvulsant) for an unrelated health
problem.   My mom commented she thought it reduced my nystagmus, but maybe
her  saying that was just wishful thinking on her part.

   In the end, a new set of optic nerves and eyes would not hurt.   I have
read they have used stem cells and cloning in frogs to transplant eyes into
a frog and the frog could distinguish light from darkness.  So who knows.  I
do support research on human cloning and stem cells, that’s one thing I feel
quite strongly about and why I did not vote for President George W. Bush
(because he wants a ban on human cloning in the US, and pushing a ban on
human cloning, including therepeutic uses, in the UN).   I don’t really hold
out that kind of hope for myself but I do think it is something that should
be researched because it stands to benefit all sorts of people and problems.
A bunch of reactionary demagogues have no right to step in and decide it for
everybody else, that’s my feeling.

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> With the prisms, you need to move your eyes to the side to see straight
> ahead.  You eliminated the head turn, but not the eye turn.

   Sounds wierd.  So basicly it’s shifting around the image?  That doesn’t
really sound like a great solution, though it might be better than nothing.
Does wearing prism glasses cause headaches when not wearing them?

  How would this affect monocular vision, since I don’t always see with both
eyes?  I also have strabismus that alternates depending on what I am doing.
I do have the ability to see stereoscopicly but it comes and goes.
Ocassionally I find the need to wear an eyepatch over my left eye for a few
hours a day if I’m reading or playing games.  But my eyes aren’t really
equal- my left eye is nearsighted but better at up close stuff, whereas my
right eye is alot better in distance acuity (when wearing my glasses).
Perhaps I need a new perscription but the last two times I’ve gone for a
checkup they haven’t changed the perscription any, despite the fact I still
feel like one eye is fuzzier than the other.

> That’s if both bases are in the same direction.  With both bases facing
> out, you need to look near to see far.

> What city are you in?  Maybe I can suggest a doctor.

  I live in Orlando

  Have you heard of using high minus contacts combined with high plus lenses
as a treatment for nystagmus?  Does this work with aquired nystagmus only,
or congenital nystagmus?

>    Hold on, I thought prisms would allow a person to read straight
>    ahead.,
> to place the null point in line with the head.  Why would one be
> required to look to one side

With the prisms, you need to move your eyes to the side to see straight
ahead.  You eliminated the head turn, but not the eye turn.

That’s if both bases are in the same direction.  With both bases facing
out, you need to look near to see far.

What city are you in?  Maybe I can suggest a doctor.

SCott